Caucus+E-Vision

Home Who Is a Person in America? Debate--Caucus Table ==**Our Vision:** Our society includes equal treatment and oppertunities to all legal American citizens, no matter what race, gender, or sexuality. The Law will be enforced to every legal citizen and every citizens rights will be protected.==
 * Argument 1:** Illegal immigrants must be turned into American Citizens before getting privileges over original American citizens. *Special circumstances for Minors, considering they were taken here against their will.
 * Argument 2:** Every citizen has the right to make personal/individual choices on their own, with out the government getting in the way of their choice. For example abortion will be up to the mother, and suicide will be up to the person whos life is at steak when that person is terminally ill.
 * Arugment 3:** Affirmative Action is considered basically the same thing as anti-racsim. In our society, everybody is equal so affirmative action is conter-productive. NO affirmative action.
 * Jill Waltz

Periods 7&8

October 2011

In our group’s ideal society, we believe that women should not be put through cruel and unusual punishments when deciding whether or not to get an abortion. We believe that individual and personal choices are up to the woman and only the woman, and they should not be ridiculed for their choice on what they are going to do with their child. In an article about the ongoing debate of abortion M. Leepson, a CQ Researcher member, mentioned that “Roe and Wade stated, women have a right to have an abortion in the first 3 months of pregnancy…” so if it's a right, it should be protected and known to all of society that it's acceptable. Our group also believes that women should not be sent through a guilt trip when they're discussing abortions with their gynocologyst. In Drew Sarno's presenation to the class on abortion, he mentioned how one woman went in to talk to her doctor and said she wanted an abortion, the doctor responded by saying "why don't you wait until the baby is born, and hold it in your arms, and then we will kill it." In our society the woman wouldn't have to go through the unusual punishment that the doctor just put her through to get an abortion because, Amendment VIII will be enforced in our society. If the woman decides not to get an abortion she can it always put her child up for adoption. In the book The Bean Trees, Stacy Gibson talks about how desperate the main character is to adopt. In our society women will not be put under cruel and unusual punishment for their decision on abortion, and even if she does decide to get an abortion the baby will always have a place to go. Jennifer Emerling Bone. "She believed reproductive rights could change historywithout class war." Academic Search Premier. Volume 33 ed. 2010. EBSCOhost.

Web. 28 Sept. 2011. < web.ebscohost.com >. Leepson, M. (1983). Abortion: decade of debate. Editorial research reports 1983 (Vol. I). Washington, DC: CQ Press. Retrieved from http://library.cqpress.com/ Kingsolver, Barbara. The Bean Trees. New York: Harper Paperbacks, 1988

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DREW SARNO

Our group said that all parties and all people should be equal. Whether you are a different color, different race, religion or gay everyone should get equal rights. This is especially true when it comes to woman’s rights. Our caucus talked about that woman should have the right to there body but only to a certain level when it comes to abortion. They are enforcing laws that say you can not get a abortion after 20 weeks. “These laws protect unborn” (Warner 3). In jills timeline topic she says that "[The Heartbeat Legislation would allow a] woman to get an abortion within the first 8 weeks of pregnancy, so if they got an abortion, the fetus would feel no pain." In our groups opinion this is true. In some situations the woman may need to get a abortion if it is to help the baby. This could be medical issues or housing when the baby is born. It also is hard for a teen to have a baby so the laws should be adjusted for females under 18. Once people here the facts they eventually stick with the heartbeat act. “Mike Flood is a lawyer and a radio station owner, not a doctor or a scientist. But after listening to the medical experts on both sides of the issue, Flood is convinced that a fetus is capable of feeling pain by the 20th week of pregnancy. And as a speaker of the Nebraska Senate, Flood replied on that conclusion in sponsoring and guiding to enactment a new state law that imposes an outright ban on abortions at the 20th week” (Jost 727). These are only some of the rights that woman should get and hopefully our government will figure out a way to do that.

Jost, Kenneth. “Abortion Debates.” //CQresearchers//. N.p., n.d. Web. 19 Oct. 2011. < [|__http://www.cqresearcher.com__] >. Warner, Judith. “Is ‘Choice’ Less Accepted for Mothers?” //New York Times//. N.p., n.d. Web. 19 Oct. 2011. <[|__http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/‌2011/‌10/‌18/‌is-choice-less-accepted-for-mothers/‌?scp=7&sq=abortion&st=cse__]

John Masters:

Affirmative action is not something that would be used in our groups ideal society. When affirmative action is used, the people of races who are not being helped, are being discriminated. Michael Lind, a Policy Director of the Economic Growth Program at the New America Foundation quotes Senator James Webb who explains that, "o ur government should be in the business of enabling opportunity for all, not in picking winners," (Lind). Webb is saying that race-based affirmative action is giving the minorities an unfair advantage and is doing more that just leveling the playing field. The Fourteenth Amendment states that, "no state shall ... deny to any person within its [|j] urisdiction the equal protection of the laws," (Fourteenth Amendment). Affirmative action does impede on the Fourteenth Amendment by not providing all citizens with equal protection. Giving other races a leg up on things, whether its college acceptance or anything similar, is, in fact, discrimination.

Works Cited

Lind, Michael. "The Liberal Case Against Race-based Affirmative Action." //salon.com//. Web. 26 Oct. 2011. .

The Fourteenth Amendment

Emily Miller: In our ideal society we believe that illegal immigrants should not be given privileges over American citizens until they are American citizens themselves. Due to our economy and the recession many American’s have been left out of work and dying to get back into work so they are able to benefit themselves and the economy, this is why illegal immigrants should not be able to work because their not an American citizen, they don’t pay taxes, they don’t have a social security number, therefore they aren’t benefiting our economy by taking the place of an American citizen. Currently Alabama has become stricter on enforcing their immigration laws, The Anniston Star, a newspaper in Alabama says, “Immigrants understand hard work as a way to get ahead, but we can’t reward them because they work and won’t get a green card." Nowadays immigration is one of the US’s major problems but years ago it was also a problem that was bubbling to the surface. On Katie VanWinkle’s, a fellow classmate, timeline page she talks about the Know-Nothings “a strong anti- catholic and anti-immigration party that was suspicious of immigrants and Catholics believing that they didn’t belong in this country.” Though immigration is present in the USA’s past and present it is also present in today’s literature and arts. In the book //The Bean Trees// by Barbara Kigsolver it touches on both sides on the argument of illegal immigrants by the main character’s friend being an illegal but also when Virgie Mae says this, “They ought to stay put on their own dirt, not come here taking up jobs.” In our ideal society immigration illegal immigrants will not be taking American citizen’s jobs and will have to benefit from and to our economy by becoming a legal American citizen. "Immigration Law is Good." //The Anniston Star// 25 Oct. 2011: 6. //Access World// //News//. Web. 25 Oct. 2011.

Kingsolver, Barbara. //The Bean Trees//. New York: HarperTorch, 1988. Print.

Bella Mayrer: In my groups ideal society we believe that illegal immigrants should not be given the same privileges as American Citizens, but we believe that there should be an exception for the minors. These children are brought here without having a choice so they are not responsible for what their parents have done. As Alex Kern said in her one minute debate; “As children get older, things get more complicated and the issue of whether they have rights becomes apparent”. These minors should have the same rights as our citizens because they really didn’t have a choice on whether or not they got to stay at home, or move to a country where they spoke a different language and lived differently. The decision their parents made should not affect the way their life will be because they didn’t do anything to deserve unequal treatment unlike their parents who came into our country illegally. Recently in Alabama they prohibited all illegals children from attending any public schools in the state. This is unfair to these children because if they don’t get a good education then they will not be able to get into a good college, if any, and be successful in life, which is why their parents brought them to this country, to have a better life. As talked about in class, Affirmative Action can help out in times like this. Affirmative Action helps those who are discriminated against get a better education, and a better life. Another act that could help the minors would be the Dream Act. The video we watched in class gave an example in which a young woman was having trouble getting into colleges, to become a doctor, because she was brought over when she was little as an illegal immigrant. The Dream Act could help her and many others that were brought here when they were children illegally be treated equally as American Citizens since they have grown up the same way as us. These examples show how our country could take a step closer to being more like my groups ideal society, a place where all American citizens, no matter what their race or gender, are treated equally.